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02/18/16 09:08 AM #1864    

Karen Etsuko Tachiki (Savel)

Bruce, I don't remember the tall lady on Telegraph. Must have been busy studying in the library in survival mode? The transition from small town security to urban explosion was another monumental transition not unlike moving from East Oakland to Chula Vista. I'm sure the hours I spent on Telegraph Ave. were sensory overload and really now it's something of jumble in the memory bank. Some spare time was spent in those old time book stores, now long gone.

Speaking of first real parttime jobs, ie. other than babysitting jobs for me was working at the McCausland-Robinson Clinic, mostly filing records or sometimes answering the phone for I think $.85 per hour. And I also did work at Sears for a shorter period of time I'm sure for a huge pay increase of maybe 5 or 10 cents per hour? The most interesting of jobs back in the day was being a nanny of sorts for golfer Billy Casper when they lived in Bonita. 

 And I remember those Ginny dolls, I don't have any now but I have a collection of Nancy Ann dolls my mother must have kept locked up as they have survived well over 60 years. And I'm pretty sure Barbie dolls came long after our time. 


02/18/16 12:19 PM #1865    

 

Beverly Burton (Ryan)

Since I do read the posts, I couldn't resist this one about the pay and the dolls.  I worked at Spouse Reitz (for Pam Bellevan's dad) and received a cash payment of $7.49 in a little brown envelope each Sunday.  Pam worked next door at the Speedee Mart (convenience store if you recall) and I don't know how much she was paid.   What do you think Bruce, Social Security have all my cash contributed into my account?  Hummm

I had Ginny Dolls and Alexandria Dolls and still have  few.  Guess we don't get rid of everything as we get older and clean out things.   Lots of interesting conversation and it does bring back lots of memories although most of you have more than I do because I wasn't a resident in CV for as long.  Trust me you don'.t want to hear about Pampa, Texas as a youth.  Nothing there but wind, wheat and oil.

 

 

 


02/18/16 03:37 PM #1866    

 

Bruce Wilson

Hi Bev:

I think most of what we made probably did not reach the threshold to be countable and you did have to have a Social security Number. 

This may surprise some of you, but this one resides up in La Crescenta.

 

Michele has asked if anyone can i.d. the source of the fabric. Which reminds me, we once sold a computer system to Fabrica, though Wilson' House of Suede turned us down.

Luckily The Marfred Paper Company of Pacoima hired us to, which is how I came to know Ritchie Valens so well.

 

Class o'57. Pacoima JHS.

 

 

 

 

 


02/18/16 06:25 PM #1867    

 

George Bracey Gillow

SPROUSE REITZ

Back starting on post 45 (page 2 or 3) we discussed Sprouse Reitz in Chula Vista. Below, again, is one of the pictures I took in 2014 showing that the name is still on the sidewalk entrance at 261 3rd. I expect the redevelopment of the sidewalks in that area will likely remove the old signs. 


02/18/16 06:48 PM #1868    

 

George Bracey Gillow

The discussion of dolls reminded me back in 1955 when we came to the us on vacation from our home in the mining camp in Chile (YouTube of the camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ki9dJpHErY ).

My mother bought dolls at Macy's in New York City for me to give to the girls in my class for their birthdays. I recall they were adult looking dolls (not Barbie dolls) and the girls just loved the dolls. Man, was I a popular young chap that year.

I wish I had a gimmick like that during my shy, nerdy high school days.

My wife says she, politics and wine have de-nerded me. But it is probably a permanent affliction.

The history channel did a series on the 1950s based on an excellent book by David Halberstam. You can see most of these on YouTube by searching "The Fifties David Halberstam". I recall it covered Mattel and one of the co-owners of the company Ruth Handler who designed the Barbie Doll and named it after her daughter Barbara. 

Here is a short history on the doll (not from the David Halberstam show, however):



 

 


02/18/16 06:56 PM #1869    

 

Bruce Wilson

About all I will say is that you could make your own car keys at Sprouse Reitz. Corvettes, Thunderbirds. Cars that could reach some fantastic speeds out on the Silver Strand.

BTW Pacoima was a lot whiter in 1957 than it is today. I spose the same could be said of CV.

Anybody i.d. Ritchie in the foto a couple posts back? What jumps out at me is there is not a Sir Guy in the group. Some zooty looking sports coats though. 

 

That year there was a horrific plane crash above L.A. One plane went down in La Tuna Canyon, the other right near PJHS. Three students were killed by flying debris from the crash.

 

Here's another aerial for Rosie. 

 


02/18/16 07:47 PM #1870    

 

Rosalee May (Rosie) O'Day (Mason)

Hey George, thanks for that history of Barbie.  She came out in 1959, long after my doll-playing days. 

Bruce, tell Michele that that fabric looks like some that was on our dance costumes from our days at Miller's Dance Studio (on Highland in NC).  In those days we took "acrobatics" which today would be called gymnastics.  Shayne and Gail were there too. I remember my mom sewing sequins on those costumes for days!

 

 


02/19/16 11:02 AM #1871    

 

Bruce Wilson

Rosie:

Michele said "YEP!"

Y'all probably remember that TV show "Mama Sews Best".  There she is now reaching in for a handful of sequins.

 

 

Nothing like settling in to a piping hot TV Dinner and another thrilling episode. I think Wally was ahead of The Beaver in sewing abilities behind June Evelyn Bronson Cleaver.

I just may have some of those rabbit ears and a tv try or two out in the garage.

 

 

 

 

 


02/19/16 11:27 AM #1872    

 

Bruce Wilson

Not a girl this time. Doesn't this woman remind you of someone who went to HHS?

 

 

Late one day in the middle of the week
Eyes were closed I was half asleep
I chased me a woman up the hill
Right in the middle of an air drill
(I jumped a fallout shelter
I jumped the string bean
I jumped the TV dinner
I jumped the shot gun).
-Bob Dylan

 

Parenthetically, though I saw that very tall girl more than I saw Gerry Mathers, he was up at Berkeley and graduated with a degree in Philosophy. Rumor is that he was the thinly-veiled target of Marvin Minsky's "The Artificial Intelligence of Hubert L. Dreyfus".

The Beaver served in the U.S. Air Force Reserve and was said (falsely) to have died in Viet Nam.

 

 

 


02/19/16 02:38 PM #1873    

 

Bruce Wilson

This one is much harder and is not someone from HHS or even CV.

Clue #1: She appears to be looking for something.

 


02/19/16 04:06 PM #1874    

 

Bruce Wilson

melhor que ja vi simplesmente maravilhoso

Why deny the obvious?

 



 


02/19/16 07:15 PM #1875    

 

John Carleton Cowherd

Rosies comments about 3d Avenue got me thinking.  My Chula Vista ran from Rosebank School south to L Street, and from Hilltop High School to Rohr.  Sorry Castle Park.  I didn't even know that CPHS was on Naples Street until a few years ago when I spent considerable time in CV taking care of Dad, then winding up his estate.  Anyway, 3d Ave downtown was my turf. Besides working at Irvings, I also worked at Sprouse Reitz.  It was my last job before I joined the Navy.  Coincidently, my Mother's last job before I was born was also there, also working for Ray Ponser. 

Irving was one of my Dad's best friends, and we bought all of our school clothes there. I worked there through high school.  I didn't know Irving was the manager of Karl's Shoes.  When Karl's closed, the manager, Harvey something came to work for Irving.  Robins Mom also worked at Irvings. 

Robin:  Do you remember Mrs Shapiro's first name?  I have an idea, but I won't taint your memory by saying it.

Some of the stores that I remember from 3d avenue:  Hunt for Toys, Stanley Andrews Sporting Goods, The bakeries that were mentioned a few pages back, House of Music with the listening booths, Zonteks, Millers, Coopers Hobby Shop, Seville Grocery, Peters Feed, Mel's Root Beer.  Dad lived in Chula Vista from 1936 until he died in 2013, so he knew most of the old timers.  If he didn't go to school with them, he insured either their businesses or their lives, cars, etc.We primarily did business with the people that did business with him (Irvings for school clothes). 

Bruce - I also remember Bills Drive-In.  When HJHS was going half day on the campus of CVJH, we didn't get out until 4:30 or 5:00.   By then I was starving, so I would stop at Bills and order french fries.  I remember the time they caught a mouse, and put it in a little jar in the window.  They said the owner almost fired the entire crew for that day.

Dad's office, Dwight Gove Agency, Insurance was at 283 G Street, just east of Third Avenum, in Dwight Gove's house.  When Dwight Gove moved to E Street (near Rosie's family) the entire house became the office.  It is now Jon Miller Realty (another of Dad's close friends).

Bev:  I remember the cash in the little brown envelopes from Sprouse Reitz.  Was there another store in CV other than the 3d avenue store?

Bruce - Whenever I have a key made, I tell the kid how easy he has it, and how we had to clamp the key into one clamp, and the blank into another, the slide them both past the grinder to cut the new key. I'm turning into an obnoxious old guy.

Well, enough rambling.  Keep me posted about the 70th birthday party.

 

 

 


02/19/16 08:22 PM #1876    

 

John Carleton Cowherd

Ps:  Robin - Irving passed away a few months ago.  He did still live in Mission Beach.


02/19/16 09:13 PM #1877    

 

Bruce Wilson

Hey John:

Interesting rambling with ya. I had completely forgotten Hunt for Toys.

I'll add the House of Music to the list of stores that occupied two locations. I remember the booths when they were near G street, but I don't remember them when they moved onto the west side of the street down in the vicinity of F Street.

I got in trouble with my dad for purchasing a knife at Stanley Andrews which was there between La Bella and the House of Music and I had to take it back and return it

Never heard the Bill's mouse story. .Sounds like something Eddie Winder and Max Abanira could have done.  It seems to me that Bill's was the first place I ever purchased just a bag of frees and nothing else  There was also a "frequent flyer" program in which you got, what I recall being a free hamburger, for saving what was a huge number of Bill's receipts. I think the electronic baseball game was a dime.

On the East side of Third about one block north of Bills there was another clothing store whose name I can't recall, but which is where I bought my first pair of genuine Levis. I'm thinking they were about three bucks and you had to buy large and shrink 'em. I'm pretty sure this was when we were doing half days at CVJHS.

Here's a new one on me from Broadway. The Round Up car drive-in and was called Louis by those in the know, was actually owned by a guy named Louis and the actual name was Louis Round Up.

OK. One more. Hot Cars. Back in the days when we were on 1/2 days there was group (who will remain unidentified) who discovered that car dealers often left keys in the cars during the day. They would borrow the keys and make copies, then come back at night and borrow the actual cars, take them out to the Silver Strand and run them out as fast as they could get them to go. I was not in the club, but looking back had I been invited I would have gone along. They eventually got caught because the engines were still hot when employees arrived in the morning. I can't recall the punishment, but it was pretty insignifiant in terms of today's standards. Same group that used to chalk their suede shoes.

 

Up next "Cruisin' for Burgers" and maybe Drive-In Movies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


02/19/16 09:37 PM #1878    

 

Bruce Wilson

This is from the L.A. Times 1988

'We were making $10, $15 per night, which was a lot in tips. I started at 75 cents an hour.'

Back in the days when teen-agers drove souped-up Chevys and hung out at drive-in malt shops, Norma Richmond began her waitressing career. The 57-year-old mother of five has waited on cars and tables for 35 years, the last 20 at Ricky's Family Restaurant in Mission Valley. Richmond credits her longevity at the restaurant to the kindness of its owners, Claude Koven and Al Sheren. In her beige-and-brown uniform with the ruffled collar, Richmond moves efficiently among her tables, working the breakfast and lunch rushes with nary a hair out of place. She serves up the restaurant's famous apple pancakes and other family fare with a smile. Richmond, who has a long list of regulars who ask to sit at her tables, is known for calling her customers "honey." Times staff writer Caroline Lemke interviewed her, and Vince Compagnone photographed her.

I've been a waitress all my life, since I got out of high school. I started in the mid-'50s. We were carhopping in those days. I was at George's Drive-in in Imperial Beach about three or four years. It was where a lot of the high-school kids came in. That's when Cokes were 10 cents each. Then I worked the Oscar's stand in San Ysidro--they were quite popular here in San Diego. Then I worked an Oscar's stand on L Street in Chula Vista.

I worked the fountain filling the drinks, milk shakes, the sodas, banana splits, sundaes, like we all did in those days. And finally a little waitressing on the outside. Most of it was outside, carhopping. There weren't that many booths or anything. Drive-ins were very popular in those days. I think the fast foods kind of beat them out.

Our tips then, of course, didn't even come close to what they are now. I worked at what was considered a kid's drive-in, and in those days they were customizing their cars. This was in 1953, '54, '55, '56. You couldn't tell whether it was a Ford or a Chevy. But the kids were into customizing their cars, fixing them up, and they'd come in and order two Cokes, that was 21 cents, and, when they said, "Keep the change," and gave you a quarter, they meant it sincerely, not as an insult. Because those four pennies went a long way. The kids did not have the money to spend that they have now. The majority of their money went in their cars in those days. We were making $10, $15 per night, which was a lot in tips. I started at 75 cents an hour, just like everybody else. I could live on that and have some left over.

I tried a few office jobs. I did work at Rohr in the shipping department, and I took the usual bookkeeping, shorthand, typing. And I worked as a bookkeeper in El Centro for a gentleman that owned a battery business, but it just wasn't for me. I think probably the enclosement, just sitting day after day after day, wasn't for me. I feel better moving. Standing bothers me, walking does not. I could never become a clerk or any position that moves slow. It just isn't for me.

The majority of us here were working mothers. We worked one job, a lot of us worked two jobs, and raised our families. We did not have the conveniences as far as the home goes, all the washers and dryers and things. When I was working, the diapers were washed on a wringer-type machine and hung on the line. But we always had time. It was just the thing to do. All three of my sons were in Little League, and I always had time to go to the games. My eldest and middle son were active in Boy Scouts, and we went on their outings on the weekends. Honey, we just did it in those days.

I'm pretty lucky here. I honestly don't have that many frustrations because I don't allow myself to get that way. I do the hiring here, and I have a staff that mostly includes girls who have been here many years.

Every restaurant is operated differently, I don't care if it's breakfast and lunch or a dinner house. You have your menus to learn, their way of running things, and, for me, it is much easier to stay in one place then it would be every two or three years changing

 

02/19/16 11:17 PM #1879    

 

Bruce Wilson

Those waitresses probably didn't have diamonds on the soles of their shoes, but then none of us did, right?

 



And what was Bruce up to in the sixties and eighties?

Now all them things that seemed so important 
Well mister they vanished right into the air 
Now I just act like I don't remember 
Mary acts like she don't care 

 




02/20/16 09:52 PM #1880    

 

Beverly Burton (Ryan)

Hi John, yes there was one more store.  Pam Bellevan's dad was the Manager and I "think" it was on Hilltop and Naples (is that a place).  Perhaps if Pam is reading these she can verify.  But the Speedee Mart she worked in was next door.  It was a tiny strip mall then.

So many of the shops and eateries are gone.  My grandmother's house was behind the Black Angus on E Street.  She was on Flower Street and they moved her house over by where Corinne McCall lives.  She bought the Greg Rodgers house when he was having financial difficulty back in the day (before any of us).  My grandmother had the property from Flower Street School west to the railroad tracks.  Was a big white house and a smaller one on the same lot.  She used to let the Mexicans that came across the border stay there.  Place was full of people, chickens, geese, monkeys, cats, birds and dogs.  I would suspect those that went to CVHS were more familar with her homestead.  Was a fun place to visit as a kid!

Enjoy reading all the postings.

 


02/21/16 11:31 AM #1881    

 

Bruce Wilson

Hi Bev:

Your'e right on the intersection. We used to frequent that mall on the occasions we had to walk home from CPJHS.

I remember a store on what was the westmost part of the strip. I recall someone (Leon Stallings or Terry Ferguson?) buying lipstick there to "smear" us. Never once looked at the name, but that could have been it.

Looks a lot the same but has gas pumps now.

 

 

It's too bad we don't have fotos of some of these things like your grandmother's property. Linda and Tommy Boal lived just below Broadway just a bit farther north and there was a bowling alley on E. Street but I don't recall ever seeing the mini farm.

Now that we're down in that area, remember when a trip to San Diego meant a long drive (or for Burger and me a bus ride) on Harbor Drive. Horrible smell by the sewage plant. National Steel and Shipbuilding (both my father and brother worked there at one time, my dad as corporate counsel, my brother running a sandblaster).

 

 

 


02/21/16 12:17 PM #1882    

 

Jim Hawes

Bev and Bruce,

The "strip mall" (Country Club Square?) at Hilltop and Naples was very popular with those of us that walked to CPJH! Harry Gauld and I walked by there daily after we were kicked off the bus (forever) in 7th grade for some long forgotten transgression. There was a liquor store "Square Bottle Liquor" that was owned by the father of an underclassman (class of 65?). There was a barber shop (Country Club Square Barber Shop) with "Joe" the barber (who worked there for many years) and Kenny Palmatier (sp?) who was a surfer/party animal from IB. Kenny had a false eye and kept some spare glass eyes in a box on the counter. One was an "8-Ball" replica, one had a playboy bunny silhouette as a iris and one was "bloodshot" for the day after big parties. Kenny was a feerless surfer who surfed with Geoff Logan, Richard Joly etc.

Always amazes me how some minor details never go away! wink

The businesses changed many times over the years and the "mall" expanded but the Barber shop and liquor store were still there the last time I drove by!

Cheers,

Jim


02/21/16 12:50 PM #1883    

Tom Liscum

There was a handy pantry owned by Joe derenzo how later owned the bonita store.

02/21/16 01:19 PM #1884    

 

Pamela Sue Bellevan (Selvig)

Bev and Gang!

I so love reading these posts about early CV. To answer Bev's question I did work at the SpeedyMart at Hilltop and Naples. It was owned by the DiRienzo family who later bought the Bonita Store . Chuck DiRenzo and used to work there and had lots of fun chatting with all the folks that would come in. Bev worked in the same strip mall also.

My folks had built a house on Bonita Mesa Road and when I was in Kindergarden we had to move back to New Jersey to take over the family business. We later moved back to California when I was in the 7th grade. I went to Dana Junior High and my sister and I would travel on the bus from Point Loma, transfer at Horton Plaza (what a nightmare) and then travel to Chula Vista. My Mom worked at Central Federal Savings on 3rd and my Dad had bought the La Tienda store in Bonita. We then moved to Bonita on Acacia and I took my first riding lesson at the big red barn in Bonita. Do you all remember that place?

I have fond memories of riding horses where the golf course is today with Georgia Farrington, Claudia Eerebout and Jan Ronis.


02/21/16 01:38 PM #1885    

 

George Bracey Gillow

If you got the San Diego U-T this morning be sure to read the article in the “In Depth” section called “Whatever Happened to Frank Fernandez”?

If you don't get the paper the article is at: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/19/frank-fernandez-hilltop-homeless/


02/21/16 02:22 PM #1886    

 

Bruce Wilson

Pam:

Jan Ronis on a horse, are there fotos?

We did go to the Big Red Barn, but our favorite horse destination was the stables below Kathy Overton's house.

Baldy, me, Knuckles and my family members used to head down there to try to wrangle a free "pony" ride.

They are still there and late in her life I took my mom, who did a lot of riding back in Michigan, down to see if she would just want to sit on one. She didn't.

 

 


02/21/16 03:13 PM #1887    

 

Treasa Struble (Skiles)

Finished reading the sad story of Frank Fernandez aka Skeezekz. Thank you to those who contributed to the article. Bruce, you did a mighty deed seeking Frank's whereabouts and lending aid. Terry, your memories of him were kind as well. I have only fond memories of my next door neighbor on whom I--and nearly every other girl at Hilltop Elementry--had a crush. So sad; a life wasted. RIP, Frank.


02/21/16 04:45 PM #1888    

 

Bruce Wilson

Treasa:

Sad story and kind words. Thank you.

I didn't have much of an idea about what happened with Frank after high school and only know a little bit more now. My guess is that had someone intervened say in 1995 there would have been a pretty good chance of giving Frank the nudging that he needed.

 

 

 

 

 


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